Hi all


My friend has sent me an interesting page from a mag, The front page
is missing but the author is :-

C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
Phone: (775) 677-1101

I just scanned a picture in it.........., it shows two interesting
additions to the F-22...

Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.

'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
stabalisation'

The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
color.
I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
anyone confirm.

'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
are deployed'

Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.


The really big news is - I think the group may owe an apology to Mr
Tarver...

Cheers





John Cook

Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:29:18 +1000, John Cook >
wrote:

>Hi all
>
>
>My friend has sent me an interesting page from a mag, The front page
>is missing but the author is :-
>
>C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
>Phone: (775) 677-1101
>
>I just scanned a picture in it.........., it shows two interesting
>additions to the F-22...
>
>Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.
>
>'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
>move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
>creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
>interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
>stabalisation'
>
>The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
>color.
>I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
>anyone confirm.
>
>'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
>are deployed'
>
>Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
>called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.
>
>
>The really big news is - I think the group may owe an apology to Mr
>Tarver...
>
>Cheers

FAT CHANCE :-) I'm looking at the picture (Actually a higher res
version of it) but other than the door for the APU, the blowout vents
for the intakes, and the two small spoiler-looking things just to the
rear of the inlet (whcih have been there since day one, on all F-22s
including the prototypes though their's were parallel to the leading
edge) I'm not seeing anything. Maybe Tarver could point them out LOL.

"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:29:18 +1000, John Cook >
> wrote:
>
> >Hi all
> >
> >
> >My friend has sent me an interesting page from a mag, The front page
> >is missing but the author is :-
> >
> >C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
> >Phone: (775) 677-1101
> >
> >I just scanned a picture in it.........., it shows two interesting
> >additions to the F-22...
> >
> >Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.
> >
> >'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
> >move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
> >creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
> >interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
> >stabalisation'
> >
> >The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
> >color.
> >I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
> >anyone confirm.
> >
> >'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
> >are deployed'
> >
> >Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
> >called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.
> >
> >
> >The really big news is - I think the group may owe an apology to Mr
> >Tarver...
> >
> >Cheers
>
> FAT CHANCE :-)

A troll like Ferrin is incapable of humility.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:54:07 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> wrote:

>
>"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:29:18 +1000, John Cook >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi all
>> >
>> >
>> >My friend has sent me an interesting page from a mag, The front page
>> >is missing but the author is :-
>> >
>> >C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
>> >Phone: (775) 677-1101
>> >
>> >I just scanned a picture in it.........., it shows two interesting
>> >additions to the F-22...
>> >
>> >Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.
>> >
>> >'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
>> >move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
>> >creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
>> >interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
>> >stabalisation'
>> >
>> >The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
>> >color.
>> >I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
>> >anyone confirm.
>> >
>> >'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
>> >are deployed'
>> >
>> >Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
>> >called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.
>> >
>> >
>> >The really big news is - I think the group may owe an apology to Mr
>> >Tarver...
>> >
>> >Cheers
>>
>> FAT CHANCE :-)
>
>A troll like Ferrin is incapable of humility.
>


A troll like Tarver. Incapable of offering any proof for anything he
says.

"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:54:07 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:29:18 +1000, John Cook >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi all
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >My friend has sent me an interesting page from a mag, The front page
> >> >is missing but the author is :-
> >> >
> >> >C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
> >> >Phone: (775) 677-1101
> >> >
> >> >I just scanned a picture in it.........., it shows two interesting
> >> >additions to the F-22...
> >> >
> >> >Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.
> >> >
> >> >'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
> >> >move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
> >> >creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
> >> >interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
> >> >stabalisation'
> >> >
> >> >The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
> >> >color.
> >> >I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
> >> >anyone confirm.
> >> >
> >> >'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
> >> >are deployed'
> >> >
> >> >Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
> >> >called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The really big news is - I think the group may owe an apology to Mr
> >> >Tarver...
> >> >
> >> >Cheers
> >>
> >> FAT CHANCE :-)
> >
> >A troll like Ferrin is incapable of humility.

> A troll like Tarver. Incapable of offering any proof for anything he
> says.

Cook just posted the proof.

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:00:16 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> wrote:

>
>"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:54:07 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:29:18 +1000, John Cook >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi all
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >My friend has sent me an interesting page from a mag, The front page
>> >> >is missing but the author is :-
>> >> >
>> >> >C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
>> >> >Phone: (775) 677-1101
>> >> >
>> >> >I just scanned a picture in it.........., it shows two interesting
>> >> >additions to the F-22...
>> >> >
>> >> >Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.
>> >> >
>> >> >'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
>> >> >move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
>> >> >creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
>> >> >interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
>> >> >stabalisation'
>> >> >
>> >> >The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
>> >> >color.
>> >> >I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
>> >> >anyone confirm.
>> >> >
>> >> >'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
>> >> >are deployed'
>> >> >
>> >> >Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
>> >> >called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >The really big news is - I think the group may owe an apology to Mr
>> >> >Tarver...
>> >> >
>> >> >Cheers
>> >>
>> >> FAT CHANCE :-)
>> >
>> >A troll like Ferrin is incapable of humility.
>
>> A troll like Tarver. Incapable of offering any proof for anything he
>> says.
>
>Cook just posted the proof.




He posted a picture of the entire airplane. Why don't you clarify and
specify which part of the airplane they are referring to? The picture
itself offers proof of nothing, it's the same as a hundred others and
would be no different than if I posted a picture of the moon and said
"look, there's a spaceship on it". If something were pointed out then
we could get a better look at it in other pictures. That's 002 I
believe that he posted the picture of. Even on a higher resolution
version of it there doesn't appear to be anything there that isn't on
EVERY F-22. This is the perfect opportunity for you to make me eat
crow, and I'll eat it if you can show me something that isn't on every
F-22 (other than the mount for the spin chute). It's definitely 002
though and I'm not seeing anything unusual. Here's a few shots of an
F-22 including a closeup of the area in question on the posted F-22
picture.

http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/f22.jpg


Just mark on here where your strakes or the "Smurfs" are and repost
it. I'm betting the "Smurfs" are something that has been there all
along and are nothing special to fix anything.

Whoops. Here's the closeup shot

http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/closeup.jpg

(After I resized that last image the "closeup" area was small again)

"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Whoops. Here's the closeup shot
>
> http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/closeup.jpg

How about that apology, little bitch?

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:35:41 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> wrote:

>
>"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> Whoops. Here's the closeup shot
>>
>> http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/closeup.jpg
>
>How about that apology, little bitch?

For what? So far I've seen nothing to apologize for. Certainly
nothing you've claimed has been proven.

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:02:32 -0700, Scott Ferrin
> wrote:

>On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:35:41 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Scott Ferrin" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>> Whoops. Here's the closeup shot
>>>
>>> http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/closeup.jpg
>>
>>How about that apology, little bitch?
>
>For what? So far I've seen nothing to apologize for. Certainly
>nothing you've claimed has been proven.


Well?? To paraphrase Kurt Russell "You gonna say somethin' or just
stand there and bleed?"

>>> >A troll like Ferrin is incapable of humility.
>>
>>> A troll like Tarver. Incapable of offering any proof for anything he
>>> says.
>>
>>Cook just posted the proof.
>
>
>
>
>He posted a picture of the entire airplane. Why don't you clarify and
>specify which part of the airplane they are referring to?

Take a close look at each side of the refuelling receptical, I'll make
the blownup version available here.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg


Anyone live in nevada? give the guy a ring!!!

C Lyons - 10200 N VIRGINIA ST, RENO, NV 89506
Phone: (775) 677-1101

Major Ian Gottcher is quoted the text :-.

'The airfoils are made from a fibrous blue kevlar type material which
move up into the airflow when certain flight conditions are met, this
creates a pair of vortexs across the back of the Aircraft which
interacts with the vertical tail planes to aid in control and
stabalisation'

The maintainence crews apparently call the fins 'Smurfs' due to their
color.
I'm sure they have nicked this name from the british Hawk jet, can
anyone confirm.

'Angles of Attack are increased by several percent when the fins
are deployed'

John Cook

Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

Email Address :-
Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me
Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:35:49 +1000, John Cook >
wrote:

>
>>>> >A troll like Ferrin is incapable of humility.
>>>
>>>> A troll like Tarver. Incapable of offering any proof for anything he
>>>> says.
>>>
>>>Cook just posted the proof.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>He posted a picture of the entire airplane. Why don't you clarify and
>>specify which part of the airplane they are referring to?
>
>Take a close look at each side of the refuelling receptical, I'll make
>the blownup version available here.
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22close.jpg
>
>http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwcook/f-22_aoa.jpg


And the UNdoctored one:

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/990101-F-1111A-111.jpg




Here's the EXACT same photo that I posted in another message. Maybe
somebody could explain the discrepancy.

http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/closeup.jpg



Personally I'd say somebody did a little photoshop work.


If you go here you can see some good closeups of the areas in question
and there's nothing there.

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030929-F-0000J-003.jpg

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030929-F-0000J-002.jpg

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/030403-F-9999G-001.jpg


http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/021105-O-9999G-084.jpg



(It's about here where I'm starting to wonder if the damn Smurf thing
is an April Fool's joke. If so I took it hook, line, and sinker.
Dirty ******* :-) Good one though.)

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:52:46 -0700, Scott Ferrin
> wrote:

Your welcome...

:-)
>
>(It's about here where I'm starting to wonder if the damn Smurf thing
>is an April Fool's joke. If so I took it hook, line, and sinker.
>Dirty ******* :-) Good one though.)

John Cook

Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

Email Address :-
Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me
Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:56:38 +1000, John Cook >
wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:52:46 -0700, Scott Ferrin
> wrote:
>
>Your welcome...
>



I think I should explain the names in the original post...

'Major I gottcher' is obvious.
But 'C Lyons' has a telephone number, of the Nevada Safari Zoo, i was
hoping someone would ring it up...;-)


Smurfs do exist!!!, Gasp!!!!, But on Hawk trainers and T-45' it stands
for (IIRC) Strake Mounted Under Fin Roots.

For the record - I edited the Raptor image and set this up as an
april fool prank, hope you enjoyed it.


Cheers


>:-)
>>
>>(It's about here where I'm starting to wonder if the damn Smurf thing
>>is an April Fool's joke. If so I took it hook, line, and sinker.
>>Dirty ******* :-) Good one though.)
>
>John Cook
>
>Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
>opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.
>
>Email Address :-
>Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me
>Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk

John Cook

Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

Email Address :-
Spam trap - please remove (trousers) to email me
Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk

In article >,
Scott Ferrin > writes:

>
> (It's about here where I'm starting to wonder if the damn Smurf thing
> is an April Fool's joke. If so I took it hook, line, and sinker.
> Dirty ******* :-) Good one though.)

You'd think that the spokesman being I. Gottcher might be a wee bit of
a clue :)
--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

"John Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:52:46 -0700, Scott Ferrin
> > wrote:
>
> Your welcome...

You're welcome.

Poor Scott Ferret, the felching pellet.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:53:53 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
> wrote:

>
>"John Cook" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:52:46 -0700, Scott Ferrin
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Your welcome...
>
>You're welcome.
>
>Poor Scott Ferret, the felching pellet.
>


"How about that apology, little bitch?"

Poor little Tarver. Thought he was vindicated only to find out it was
an April Fool's joke.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:08:50 -0500, (Peter Stickney)
wrote:

>In article >,
> Scott Ferrin > writes:
>
>>
>> (It's about here where I'm starting to wonder if the damn Smurf thing
>> is an April Fool's joke. If so I took it hook, line, and sinker.
>> Dirty ******* :-) Good one though.)
>
>You'd think that the spokesman being I. Gottcher might be a wee bit of
>a clue :)


You'd think :-)

John Cook > wrote in message >...

> Download the picture from alt.binaries.pictures.military
> called Raptor smurfs f-22-aoa.jpg.

Any way to post to something that's not a binaries newsgroup?